Sunday, January 22, 2006

The Simple Truth

Ali Sina, an Islamic apostate, has waged an intellectual war to expose Islam via his website Faith Freedom. In this brief letter to the world, he powerfully describes the ominous threat we face. (Hat tip: Mark.) If you are not familiar with Ali Sina, this is a good introduction to one of the most important writers on Islam.

14 Comments:

Blogger Pastorius said...

Jason,
Ali Sina's post lays it on the line. What do you think the chances are that mass-conversions of Muslims will topple the threat we face?

Do you think it's a good strategy?

1/22/06, 11:24 PM  
Blogger beakerkin said...

Pastorius I see zero probability of mass conversions. Converts face the real prospect of assasination.

Al Sina is correct but the best source to look at is sill the book Indigenous people under the rule of Islam. Islam is not a religion in the sense of Episcopalism . It is a colonial theft based pathology
that is not tolerant of dissent.

1/23/06, 1:35 AM  
Blogger Jason_Pappas said...

For those of us who are optimists about long-term change ultimately coming about in the Islamic world, there are three possibilities. 1. The abandonment Islam and embrace of secularism. 2. They convert to a non-martial religion. 3. They invent moderate Islam.

I argue that they should become secular (in the right way) but (as I once said) if they become Episcopalian I’d sleep a lot better. I think arguing for religious freedom is a worthy end in itself but will also transform Islamic society since Islam can’t be what it is and allow such freedom for the individual.

Many people I respect believe they can develop a moderate version of their religion. Daniel Pipes (whom I link to on my list on the right) believes such a variation can be created. Tom Palmer, who opposed the Iraq war but is over there teaching them about free markets, also believes moderate Islam is a possibility (I link to his blog, too.)

Palmer and Pipes, often point to the days of Al Farabi, the 9th century Arabic philosopher, who tried to reconcile Islam with Plato and Aristotle (he conflated the latter two.) However, they forget that Al Farabi was motivated by Al Razi, who praised philosophy but believed that philosophy and Islam were incompatible.

Thus, if a moderate Islam is possible, I believe it will be the efforts of skeptics and harsh critics that will prompt such a compromise. And if it is not, we will be facing the truth and they had better look elsewhere to enlightenment.

1/23/06, 8:20 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Thank you, Jason! That letter is very good, isn't it? Just had to post it.

By the way, Jason, I think you have a great weblog here. Hat tip to you, too!

1/23/06, 11:23 AM  
Blogger Always On Watch said...

Jason,
I read Ali Sina's letter before you and Mark pointed it out. The letter doesn't dance around the problem.

Are world leaders reading Sina? I hope so. I pray so.

1/23/06, 1:07 PM  
Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Islam is going to take over the world by terrorism? Damn, that's a stretch even for you, Jason.

Which AIPAC splinter sends Ali his check?

1/23/06, 3:26 PM  
Blogger Freedomnow said...

Of course Islam isnt going to take over the world through terrorism Ducky. However, that is the goal of many Jihadists. Fortunately for us that is just a pipe dream (as in a crack pipe).

1/23/06, 7:24 PM  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Thanks for clarifying that for me, Jason. As you know, I'm for option three, and the reason I am is because I don't think mass coversions are a possibility.

A persons religion is so much a part of their personal and family life that it is almost impossible for any but the most individualistic to change. That might sound odd coming from a Christian like me, but, I look at the evidence. In China, for instance, we are seeing mass conversions to Christianity, but it is a very slow process, and nowhere near a billion Chinese have converted.

In other words, I don't think we have time for conversion, either to Christianity or secularim.

Therefore, it is to war we go. War has solved these kinds of problems before, and it can again.

You know my rap. You don't need to hear it again.

:)

1/23/06, 10:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3. They invent moderate Islam.
That is a problem, as there is nothing in Islam's nature that suggests that it is possible for it to become and remain moderate. Islam can only be moderate when not practiced, and therefore what we might refer to as "moderate Islam" is simply a result of Muslims not taking their allegiance to Islam seriously, something which actually tells us more about these Muslims than about Islam.

A suggested read is The Search for Moderate Islam by Lawrence Auster.

1/24/06, 3:58 PM  
Blogger Jason_Pappas said...

I'm in agreement with Auster.

1/24/06, 5:00 PM  
Anonymous kevin said...

The Koran makes no bones about it's desire to conquer the world, so why should we doubt that they will try?

Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’
Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”
In the Hadith;
Ishaq:204 “‘Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man?’ ‘Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.’”

Thier plans were laid out for them 1400 years ago, and they will never stop.

1/25/06, 2:10 AM  
Blogger Always On Watch said...

Jason,
Sorry that I haven't commented here. Sometimes the reality of which Ali Sina is downright depressing.

The air drills here in the D.C. area are proceeding apace. Arlington has announced a schedule of running air-raid siren drills. I remember another time like this--during JFK's administration. Once that crisis was over, I never thought we have such drills again. I was wrong.

1/25/06, 6:53 PM  
Blogger Pim's Ghost said...

I think that this and Mark's Steyn's "It's the Demography, Stupid" should be required reading.

1/26/06, 10:24 AM  
Blogger American Crusader said...

Ali Sina's site is an excellent source of inside information. I have used it as a reference for several posts. I also see zero possibilities of mass conversions..maybe Western society will moderate extremist views but if what happened in France is typical then I don't think that's a possibility either. Turkey is fiercely secular but even there non-Muslim religions face harsh opposition.

1/26/06, 9:38 PM  

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