Tuesday, June 19, 2007

Secretary of What State?

Condi Rice has pledged $86 million to Fatah, the Palestinian terror organization formerly headed by Yasser Arafat. Condi’s claim, that Fatah is a moderate bulwark against Hamas, hinges on Arafat’s tradition of lying through his teeth while supporing Israel’s destruction with wave after wave of suicide bombing. That Fatah and Hamas are made of the same cloth is undeniable. Hamas just refuses to lie.

Buried in the news is a little noticed gift to Hamas, again courtesy of the American taxpayer. The Washington Post has a single line burried in the middle of an article: “Rice said an additional $40 million will be contributed to the U.N. agency that assists Palestinian refugees in Gaza.” The people of Gaza overwhelmingly support the unapologetic terrorist organization, Hamas, which draws its members from the general population. Disguising support for Hamas as humanitarian aid has precedent.

The Islamic Committee for Palestine was established in 1986 by Sami Al-Arian and Hussam Jubara “as a philanthropic advocacy group devoted to alleviating the suffering of Palestinian women and children. In reality, the organization served as an American front for the terrorist organization Palestinian Islamic Jihad.” [1] It “was an Islamist organization that raised money in the United States for Hamas.” [2] Al-Arian was charged with seventeen counts including “conspiracy to murder and maim people abroad.”

In 2001, the FBI and Treasury froze the assets of The Holy Land Foundation, an Islamist organization base in Texas disguised as a humanitarian relief organization. “Treasury officials conceded that a 'substantial amount' of the money raised goes to worthy causes, but insisted that Holy Land's primary purpose has been to subsidize Hamas.” [3] It’s founder, Ghassan Elashi, was sentenced to 7 years in 2006 “for doing business with a terrorist (funnelling money to Hamas throughout the the past 10 years.)”

Has Condi Rice joined Sami Al-Arian and Ghassan Elashi?

Update1: It gets worse! Condi contemplates joining forces with the creators of Hamas and the teachers of bin Laden. The New York Sun explains how the State Department contemplates reaching out to the originators of Hamas and the teachers of bin Laden! “The Bush administration is quietly weighing the prospect of reaching out to the party that founded modern political Islam, the Muslim Brotherhood. … These developments, in light of Hamas's control of Gaza, suggest that President Bush … has done more than any of his predecessors to accept the movement fighting for the merger of mosque and state in the Middle East. … Making the case today for outreach is Mr. Leiken, who co-authored [an article] titled, ‘The Moderate Muslim Brotherhood.’ … has gotten the attention of senior National Security Council officials and Secretary of State Rice.”


Blogger Ducky's here said...

I don't know what all the fuss is about. The main act is in Iran and that's going to play out over some time.

Iran gets the nuke and pushes Egypt and Saudi and a few others into it and the tribes of Abraham blow the crap out of each other.

That seems to be the way it's going. I don't think the decision of the Israeli Apartheid Regime to force people into massive concentration camps with no limited potable water and arable land while maintaining control of their energy supplied and income has helped.

Clock is ticking.

6/19/07, 9:30 AM  
Blogger Jason Pappas said...

The fact that Israel is foolishly supplying water and electricity to its enemy is symptomatic of the West’s policy in general. We give Pakistan $1 billion a year while they allow terrorist training camps to prepare for the covert detonation of a nuke in an American city. Pakistan created the Taliban, which still has support within its intelligence organization (ISI) and military. Getting a nuke shouldn’t be too much of a problem. Given that we’ve only built 13 miles of a 700 mile fence on our border, it is clear we have little intention to protect our nation from attack.

Again, it is part of the pattern of feeding our enemy and turning the other cheek. We’ve become a self-destructive society bent on aiding the barbarians who seek our destruction. Of course, the left romanticizes these savages as “noble victims.” However, the right (for the most part) doesn’t have to fortitude to take on an enemy that wraps its savagery in religion. Condi altruism is a betrayal of our ally and our nation. Bush’s praise of Islam is a moral and intellectual surrender. We need new leadership if our republic is to survive.

6/19/07, 9:47 AM  
Blogger Jason Pappas said...

Paksitan is the new Afghanistan

6/19/07, 10:01 AM  
Blogger Ducky's here said...

Well Jason, the world is a pretty complex place. I don't think your efforts of dividing it into the good guys (America, Britain, Israel) and the bad guys (everyone else) is practical.

I do find it odd that in all the talk of American interests we always assume that Israel is something vital to those interests. Can't imagine why. It isn't out of a humanitarian bent because they brutality you advocate for Palestinians, most of whom are just trying to survive, is immoral if you want to put this in a moral rather than realpolitik context.

6/19/07, 10:08 AM  
Blogger Jason Pappas said...

If it is brutal to refuse to feed an enemy that fails to lay down their weapons then Eisenhower was brutal, McArthur was brutal, Pershing was brutal, �

6/19/07, 10:24 AM  
Blogger Ducky's here said...

Once again Jason, the bulk of this so called enemy are just people trying to survive and feed their children.

They have always perceived Hamas as an organization willing to help them do that. That overides any stance towards Israel on the part of Hamas. That isn't what people were concerned about.

So first we call them "our" enemies. I don't live in Israel and I frankly am not concerned about them one way or another any more than you are concerned about the Palestinians. Bull, they aren't "our" enemy.

Second, once there is an election we immediately co-opt it and throw our complete support with the Israeli Apartheid Regime... and here we are.

Everything we do along with the Likud morons strngthens Iran. Everything. Iran has badly outplayed us and as long as you play hard nose they will continue to win.

6/19/07, 12:20 PM  
Blogger Jason Pappas said...

No you sound like Condi when she said "they love their children just like we do" -- as they indoctrinate their young into becoming self-detonating munitions. They are an enemy of civilization.

Since it was the West that provided the lion's share of their support (either directly or through the UN), they have decided to bite the hand the feeds them. It's time to pull the plug! Let's stop feeding these savages; they are an enemy of civilization. Let's step back.

6/19/07, 12:40 PM  
Blogger Ducky's here said...

If "they" means militant Palestinains and militant Israelis then you are correct.

6/19/07, 12:47 PM  
Blogger Jason Pappas said...

The majority voted for Hamas but the alternatives weren't very different. Hamas embodies the Islamic spirit today. Gazan educational institutions indoctrinate the young with a "militant" jihadist ideology. Middle East Arabs that are our age and who've lived in America for decades wouldn't recognize the mindset in Gaza today. Christians have fled in droves or are trying to avoid the crossfire. No Jew would step into Gaza. It's a hate-infested culture that is nihilistic to the core. Let's step back; let's stop feeding them.

6/19/07, 12:55 PM  
Blogger Ducky's here said...

"Middle East Arabs that are our age and who've lived in America for decades wouldn't recognize the mindset in Gaza today."

You mean people who have lived in America where the idea of potable water, arable land, no Israeli Aparthaid Regime attack helicopters buzzing the neighborhood, freedom of movement and stable government aren't pipe dreams wouldn't recognize Gaza and would have a different mindset than the person who has to endure Gaza.

I'm freaking shocked to hear that, Jason.

Christians have fled in drove. Because the West likes Christians and takes them in. Wow Christians emigrate war zones. Again, I am freaking shocked. Absolutely fraking shocked.

6/19/07, 3:15 PM  
Blogger Jason Pappas said...

You mean like Egypt? Where poverty is rampant? Or like Algeria where they were killing each other by the hundreds of thousands through out the 90s? Or like the Sudan i.e. Darfur?

Gaza and Iraq are just Arab/Muslim societies where their natural tendencies are exposed without the constraints of a strong-man to keep people in line. Without an Ataturk or Shah you get savagery. Even with them you get savagery but it is less anarchic.

6/19/07, 4:17 PM  
Blogger Ronbo said...


Since as you point out an Islamic country can be governed only by a ruler with an iron fist, a hardline USA American military occupation of key countries in Middle East AFTER a biltz would be the only real solution in the short term that would improve gasoline prices in the consumer's favor since Saudi Arabia would be one of the key Islamic countries occupied.

It is insane to allow oil profits to fuel Islamic terrorism.

Cheers, Ronbo

6/20/07, 5:17 AM  
Blogger Ducky's here said...

ron, what about Indonesia?

India has the second largest muslim population in the world.

Now I wouldn't want to imply that you don't have a lot of brain but youare extremely shallow. It's the military indoctrination.

Your analysis of gas pricing is asinine and extremly shallow.

Let's try a real subject and see what you've got:

Discuss, U.S. refining capacity is limited because major oil companies know we have reached "peak oil" production and building additional capacity would not increase profitibility.

I'm waiting. Can you get below the surface on any issue?

6/20/07, 11:09 AM  
Blogger Jason Pappas said...

Ronbo's main point is about taking away the wealth from our Islamist enemy. It's an interesting point. Let's remember that the British (and later American) government's initial interest in the Middle East was strategic. In WWII we were keenly aware of Japan's need to import raw materials. Truman and Eisenhower sought to curry favor with the Arab and Iranian camps during the Cold War mainly for strategic reasons. It is worth considering removing the oil weapon from our enemy's domain not so much for our acquisition but to keep them from having this means of funding the jihad.

6/20/07, 11:20 AM  
Blogger Jason Pappas said...

I deleted the name-calling posts but I don't want to ignore the content.

Yes, Islam isn't the only problem for Arabs; it merely compounds the problem. And, yes, Muslims are Islam's greatest victim.

My strategy isn't confrontational; I focus on (1) ending the 50 year policy of appeasement that includes feeding and funding our enemy (the topic of this article) and (2) establishing a deterrent. I'm not interested in the problem of Muslims as long as they're contained within their borders. This, unfortunately, isn't always the case.

Ethically-speaking, I have respect for more forceful methods but I believe 1 & 2 above can go along way in securing our nation.

6/20/07, 12:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, why don't you and the other blogs that are against this - start a campaign - CAMPAIGN - to inundated Congress with mailings of all sorts - phone calls - PROTESTING this?

Yeah, I'm against it. Yeah, I understand both sides are evil.

6/20/07, 2:07 PM  
Blogger unaha-closp said...

I'm not interested in the problem of Muslims as long as they're contained within their borders.

I care and see the giving of minimal assistance like this as rational. They are an enemy, our efforts must be directed towards weakening them.

Providing enough assistance to keep them just above the breadline creates a flow of capital that is top down, which encourages a culture of corruption as the citizens have no power over the financing of the government with which to regulate corruption. It conditions those who seek to advance themselves within Palestine to make a career of government and this grows the size of government (and like most big government socialist states this reduces the skills in the private sector and makes the place poorer). Also the West can at will stress the system, by cutting and modifying aid so that clients are most compliant to Western needs.

Ducky & like minded people appear to think that if we are nice and attentive they will become friendly to us. And Ducky is deluded into thinking that a big government Palestinian state, providing social assistance is the ideal. This I believe to be a crock of sh*t, but oh so useful.

Giving some aid can corrupt, disincentivise, weaken and manipulate Palestine to an enfeebled innately socialist form like most other corrupt big government states.

And the real good news is we never know if Ducky is not right and they could come round to liking us for doing this.

6/21/07, 2:48 AM  
Blogger Truth Teller said...

Off topic and FYI...
Due to a Google glitch, The Truth Project has moved to this site. We'll be busy this summer upgrading the site after a long hiatus from posting at the former site.

6/21/07, 7:08 AM  
Blogger beakerkin said...


The only solution is for Egypt to reclaim Gaza and for Israel and Jordan to make a deal. This would end the farce of Palestinian ethnicity that has been an impediment to progress.

Had the conflict been viewed and treated in its correct context the problem would have been solved years ago. Palestinianism is largely a Communist creation and people are dying for a myth.

6/23/07, 1:43 PM  
Blogger beakerkin said...


There is an old legend about George Schultz. He took a globe and asked his employees to point to the country they work for. Every State Department employee got it wrong and Schultz pointed the to the United States.

6/25/07, 4:15 PM  
Blogger Conservative Swede said...

Condi is completely useless. No worse, she's traitorous. No wonder, considering how traitorous her mentor is. At least all the gibberish about her being the best Republican presidential candidate has evaporated completely.

On another note, it would be nice to establish e-mail contact. You find my e-mail in my profile, if you'd like to mail me.

6/25/07, 7:59 PM  
Blogger Brooke Lorren said...

Eeek! Sometimes I just want to bang my head up against the wall in frustration over the stupid things our government does.

6/26/07, 3:20 AM  

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