Friday, March 17, 2006

Appeasement Only Emboldens Them

Victor Davis Hanson gives lucid commentary in the face of glib European criticism. For example:

Now things are starting to come to a crisis, and the Europeans are learning belatedly — after the French riots, the bombings in Madrid and London, the murders in the Netherlands, and the craziness over the Danish cartoons — that their appeasement failed and the radical Islamists hate them even more than they hate us.

Edward Cline is a powerful voice on the same issue:
Europe is reaping the perilous harvest of its decades-long experiment in multiculturalism and tolerance of the irrational, and there is no reason to think that the endemic Muslim violence there will not be emulated in the U.S. Many European countries, especially France, are experiencing a spike in gang rapes of “unveiled” European and “apostate” Mideast women by Muslim men and teens as a form of jihad. European politicians, artists and writers who have spoken out against the dangers of Islamofascism or who have been critical of Islam must have police protection. Many Muslim sections of European cities are “no go” areas to the police. A Turkish Muslim proclaimed in 2003 that Paris, Rome and Madrid were now components of the Islamic world because so many mosques have been erected in those capitals.

Wolfgang Scheide notes:

This then is the logic of appeasement. We now see new demands are made. In France some Muslims now demand that Voltaire be censored ironically over his drama about religious fanaticism where Mohammad is portrayed as a tyrant.

20 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ain't gonna happen on our watch

www.therallypoint.org

3/18/06, 12:11 AM  
Blogger beakerkin said...

The recent student riots in France may point in another direction. The problem is a total breakdown in law and order. Left wing law breaking hoodlums are never prosecuted.

It is time to start throwing the book at those who abuse the right to peaceful protest.

3/18/06, 12:31 AM  
Anonymous Washington said...

Appeasement is the last step before capitulation.

3/18/06, 11:05 AM  
Blogger Always On Watch said...

Has the world learned nothing from the failed appeasement of Hitler?

3/18/06, 2:40 PM  
Blogger Anum Mahktar said...

Islam is Allah's will. It will not ever be stopped not matters how others behave. France will soon be under Sharia law, either by choice or by extermination. This is what awaits all who oppose Islam

3/18/06, 3:22 PM  
Blogger John Sobieski said...

I think the Muslim numbers in France are much, much higher than anyone admits. I read at Brussels Journal that the state has banned publishing births and the babys' names in most if not all major cities. Why? Muslim names dominated the list! The indigenous French population is declining and the Muslim population is exploding. In just 20 years, the MAJORITY of French people under 25 will be Muslims. That is incredible.

3/18/06, 7:35 PM  
Blogger Always On Watch said...

Cline makes many excellent points, among them, this one: In Britain, during the height of the Danish Mohammed cartoon uproar, the police covertly photographed demonstrators in London who carried placards that promised or advocated death for the cartoonists and anyone who “insulted” Mohammed. These demonstrators, however, if they are arrested, will not be charged with inciting murder or violence against individuals, but with “hate crimes.” Conversely, anyone expressing a position on Islam that Muslims could claim to be offensive, may also be charged with a “hate crime.”

If that is not a double standard, what is?

3/18/06, 8:48 PM  
Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

It's high time Western civilization demanded to be appeased.

Who's food are you eating, Mahmoud?

How'd you like to eat sand and wash it down with camel piss instead?

What are you going to do when you're too weak to protest America's ban on exporting food to your little shithole?

Hello?

3/18/06, 10:02 PM  
Blogger kevin said...

Don't discourage him Beamish, his open idiocy is quite refreshing compared to the usual "Islam Is Peace" drivel.

3/19/06, 2:50 AM  
Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Kevin,

The fastest way to demonstrate the stupidity of a leftist, an Islamofascist, or any other kind of moron is to accept all of their premises and then apply them in reverse.

America has at least 6,000 operational nuclear weapons. What's stopping us from trucking one into a major city of another country and detonating it? Why don't we train and fund suicide bombers of our own, they're just "freedom fighters" right? Why not erupt in riots whenever Islam criticizes Jessica Simpson?

3/19/06, 10:05 AM  
Blogger Always On Watch said...

Jason,
Disturbing story here.

3/19/06, 8:20 PM  
Blogger Gunnar Heinrich said...

The riots in France were a horrible embarrassment to the French government and an unwarranted break down of law and order to third-world hostility. It could conceivably happen anywhere in the West and could prove to be a worsening problem in the future.

http://www.ummediawatch.blogspot.com

3/20/06, 1:49 AM  
Blogger Brooke said...

Maybe they're hoping that we will appease them with Israel...

3/20/06, 3:32 PM  
Blogger beakerkin said...

Jason

Believe it or not Ducky sat for an interview on my blog. He came out decently and better then I expected.

Someday if you feel up to it I want to interview you on my site.

3/20/06, 7:37 PM  
Blogger Weingarten said...

Some say that a theory must be validated by practice, but I prefer being discontent with practice until it has been validated by theory. Until one finds that what occurs in reality is subsumed under a theory, he is bound by the limits of pragmatism. Conversely, once practice is validated by theory it is improved, or corrected.

It is often pointed out, as in the article, that appeasement emboldens. Yet why should this be? To ‘appease’ means to satisfy or soothe. So if I gave you the $5 that I owe you (which I won’t) you would be appeased, and not emboldened. One can say that this is not the meaning of ‘appeasement’ but that only requires us to search for the true meaning.
Let me begin with the notion that man is a hybrid, composed of animal drives and aspirations. An aggressor follows the animal passion to get all that he can, so that akin to an alligator, giving him a hand will only embolden him to take all of you. He views what is given him as a sign of weakness. Conversely, a civilized man follows the aspiration of fairness, being satisfied with getting only what belongs to him. He views what he receives with respect.
The conclusion is that an aggressor cannot be appeased, which would only embolden him. Rather than give him a carrot, one must hit him with a stick. Thus before dealing with our enemies, we have but to examine whether they are to be viewed as aggressors or as civilized beings. Can there be any doubt as to wherein lies the Muslim?

3/21/06, 10:06 AM  
Blogger Weingarten said...

Some say that a theory must be validated by practice, but I prefer being discontent with practice until it has been validated by theory. Until one finds that what occurs in reality is subsumed under a theory, he is bound by the limits of pragmatism. Conversely, once practice is validated by theory it is improved, or corrected.

It is often pointed out, as in the article, that appeasement emboldens. Yet why should this be? To ‘appease’ means to satisfy or soothe. So if I gave you the $5 that I owe you (which I won’t) you would be appeased, and not emboldened. One can say that this is not the meaning of ‘appeasement’ but that only requires us to search for the true meaning.
Let me begin with the notion that man is a hybrid, composed of animal drives and aspirations. An aggressor follows the animal passion to get all that he can, so that akin to an alligator, giving him a hand will only embolden him to take all of you. He views what is given him as a sign of weakness. Conversely, a civilized man follows the aspiration of fairness, being satisfied with getting only what belongs to him. He views what he receives with respect.
The conclusion is that an aggressor cannot be appeased, which would only embolden him. Rather than give him a carrot, one must hit him with a stick. Thus before dealing with our enemies, we have but to examine whether they are to be viewed as aggressors or as civilized beings. Can there be any doubt as to wherein lies the Muslim?

3/21/06, 10:09 AM  
Anonymous Bilwick said...

That story about the Muslims wanting to censor that play by one of my intellectual heroes, Voltaire, appeals to me on some level. If one sees modern Islamism as a reaction against the Enlightenment and all that the Enlightenment stands for and gave us, the idea of Islamofascists wanting to censor Voltaire (in many ways the symbol of the Enlightenment) kind of summarizes it nicely, doesn't it?

3/21/06, 3:39 PM  
Blogger beakerkin said...

Holly smokes Anum Muhktar is here also. He agreed to an interview on my blog. It promises to be interesting but remeber as a good host I can not bean a guest.

You are still at the top of my list for an interview.

3/22/06, 12:05 AM  
Blogger Pastorius said...

According to atlas Shrugs, in a post today, the riots in France over work laws are now being attended and pushed forward by the same "youths" who rioted several months back. In fact, Sarkozy is sounding the warning.

There are photos also. These are clearly "youths."

3/25/06, 6:01 PM  
Blogger Jason_Pappas said...

I don't know who posted the above using my name, but would you please use your own name?

3/25/06, 10:16 PM  

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